R360 ‘would be death knell for club rugby around the world’

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Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.

R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men’s teams and four women’s teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.

However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.

“We’re certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.

“I’m not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 – I’m just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall’s going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.

“Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren’t that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that’s going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it.”

R360’s organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don’t follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.

It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan’s top-tier clubs.

All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo’unga and South Africa’s two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.

However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.

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Eight leading Test nations have issued a blanket ban on R360 recruits representing their national teams, wrecking hopes the rebel tournament had of allowing its players to combine the venture with international careers.

World Rugby is also yet to sanction R360 after asking for more information about the start-up’s plans.

Tom Curry, speaking in September, reaffirmed his own commitment to Sale.

“The investment from Simon and Michelle [Orange] and Ged Mason, we’re in a very fortunate position where we are in Manchester,” he said. “Nothing would get me away from that.”

England’s top flight has been optimistic that it can slowly move away from individual benefactors covering losses from their own pockets.

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Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women’s game however, with England’s Premiership Women’s Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

“I think it would absolutely kill the women’s game off,” Orange added.

“I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it’s still paltry compared to what the men get.

“And we’re not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically – just because there’s not the money in the game.

“I don’t want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

“But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

“If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

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    • 10 November

It has been speculated that rugby league duo Zac Lomax and Ryan Papenhuyzen are destined for R360, after the pair walked away from unfulfilled NRL contracts with Parramatta Eels and Melbourne Storm respectively.

“I feel sorry for Zac, I feel sorry for Ryan Papenhuyzen, I think they’re being ill-advised and they’re jeopardising their whole careers on wild promises,” said Australian Rugby League Commission chair Peter V’landys earlier this week.

“What I would be strongly recommending to them is to get irrevocable bank guarantees that they will actually get paid.

“Anyone can make wild promises. Nobody has done any due diligence on any business model.”

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R360 ‘would be death knell for club rugby around the world’

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Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.

R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men’s teams and four women’s teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.

However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.

“We’re certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.

“I’m not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 – I’m just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall’s going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.

“Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren’t that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that’s going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it.”

R360’s organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don’t follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.

It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan’s top-tier clubs.

All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo’unga and South Africa’s two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.

However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.

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Eight leading Test nations have issued a blanket ban on R360 recruits representing their national teams, wrecking hopes the rebel tournament had of allowing its players to combine the venture with international careers.

World Rugby is also yet to sanction R360 after asking for more information about the start-up’s plans.

Tom Curry, speaking in September, reaffirmed his own commitment to Sale.

“The investment from Simon and Michelle [Orange] and Ged Mason, we’re in a very fortunate position where we are in Manchester,” he said. “Nothing would get me away from that.”

England’s top flight has been optimistic that it can slowly move away from individual benefactors covering losses from their own pockets.

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Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women’s game however, with England’s Premiership Women’s Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

“I think it would absolutely kill the women’s game off,” Orange added.

“I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it’s still paltry compared to what the men get.

“And we’re not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically – just because there’s not the money in the game.

“I don’t want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

“But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

“If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

    • 16 October
    • 10 September
    • 10 November

It has been speculated that rugby league duo Zac Lomax and Ryan Papenhuyzen are destined for R360, after the pair walked away from unfulfilled NRL contracts with Parramatta Eels and Melbourne Storm respectively.

“I feel sorry for Zac, I feel sorry for Ryan Papenhuyzen, I think they’re being ill-advised and they’re jeopardising their whole careers on wild promises,” said Australian Rugby League Commission chair Peter V’landys earlier this week.

“What I would be strongly recommending to them is to get irrevocable bank guarantees that they will actually get paid.

“Anyone can make wild promises. Nobody has done any due diligence on any business model.”

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    • 1 day ago
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R360 ‘would be death knell for club rugby around the world’

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Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.

R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men’s teams and four women’s teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.

However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.

“We’re certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.

“I’m not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 – I’m just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall’s going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.

“Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren’t that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that’s going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it.”

R360’s organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don’t follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.

It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan’s top-tier clubs.

All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo’unga and South Africa’s two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.

However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.

Tom CurryGetty Images

Eight leading Test nations have issued a blanket ban on R360 recruits representing their national teams, wrecking hopes the rebel tournament had of allowing its players to combine the venture with international careers.

World Rugby is also yet to sanction R360 after asking for more information about the start-up’s plans.

Tom Curry, speaking in September, reaffirmed his own commitment to Sale.

“The investment from Simon and Michelle [Orange] and Ged Mason, we’re in a very fortunate position where we are in Manchester,” he said. “Nothing would get me away from that.”

England’s top flight has been optimistic that it can slowly move away from individual benefactors covering losses from their own pockets.

Mike TindallGetty Images

Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women’s game however, with England’s Premiership Women’s Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

“I think it would absolutely kill the women’s game off,” Orange added.

“I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it’s still paltry compared to what the men get.

“And we’re not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically – just because there’s not the money in the game.

“I don’t want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

“But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

“If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

    • 16 October
    • 10 September
    • 10 November

It has been speculated that rugby league duo Zac Lomax and Ryan Papenhuyzen are destined for R360, after the pair walked away from unfulfilled NRL contracts with Parramatta Eels and Melbourne Storm respectively.

“I feel sorry for Zac, I feel sorry for Ryan Papenhuyzen, I think they’re being ill-advised and they’re jeopardising their whole careers on wild promises,” said Australian Rugby League Commission chair Peter V’landys earlier this week.

“What I would be strongly recommending to them is to get irrevocable bank guarantees that they will actually get paid.

“Anyone can make wild promises. Nobody has done any due diligence on any business model.”

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  • Sale
  • Rugby Union

More on this story

    • 1 day ago
    Elliot Daly

R360 ‘would be death knell for club rugby around the world’

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  • 17 Comments

Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.

R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men’s teams and four women’s teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.

However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.

“We’re certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.

“I’m not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 – I’m just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall’s going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.

“Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren’t that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that’s going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it.”

R360’s organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don’t follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.

It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan’s top-tier clubs.

All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo’unga and South Africa’s two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.

However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.

Tom CurryGetty Images

Eight leading Test nations have issued a blanket ban on R360 recruits representing their national teams, wrecking hopes the rebel tournament had of allowing its players to combine the venture with international careers.

World Rugby is also yet to sanction R360 after asking for more information about the start-up’s plans.

Tom Curry, speaking in September, reaffirmed his own commitment to Sale.

“The investment from Simon and Michelle [Orange] and Ged Mason, we’re in a very fortunate position where we are in Manchester,” he said. “Nothing would get me away from that.”

England’s top flight has been optimistic that it can slowly move away from individual benefactors covering losses from their own pockets.

Mike TindallGetty Images

Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women’s game however, with England’s Premiership Women’s Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

“I think it would absolutely kill the women’s game off,” Orange added.

“I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it’s still paltry compared to what the men get.

“And we’re not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically – just because there’s not the money in the game.

“I don’t want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

“But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

“If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

    • 16 October
    • 10 September
    • 10 November

It has been speculated that rugby league duo Zac Lomax and Ryan Papenhuyzen are destined for R360, after the pair walked away from unfulfilled NRL contracts with Parramatta Eels and Melbourne Storm respectively.

“I feel sorry for Zac, I feel sorry for Ryan Papenhuyzen, I think they’re being ill-advised and they’re jeopardising their whole careers on wild promises,” said Australian Rugby League Commission chair Peter V’landys earlier this week.

“What I would be strongly recommending to them is to get irrevocable bank guarantees that they will actually get paid.

“Anyone can make wild promises. Nobody has done any due diligence on any business model.”

Related topics

  • Sale
  • Rugby Union

More on this story

    • 1 day ago
    Elliot Daly

R360 ‘would be death knell for club rugby around the world’

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  • 17 Comments

Sale co-owner Michelle Orange says the proposed new R360 competition risks killing off club rugby around the world if it gets off the ground.

R360, fronted by former England centre Mike Tindall, aims to launch in October, after a recruitment drive to sign star names for eight men’s teams and four women’s teams who will compete on an F1-style circuit of events in major world cities.

However, Orange says she and fellow owners would withdraw from rugby rather than become R360 feeder clubs.

“We’re certainly not going to keep investing all that money into building a pathway, only for Mike Tindall every three or four years…to take the cream off the top of the milk again.

“I’m not saying the Curry boys [Sale and England flankers Tom and Ben] are going to 360 – I’m just using them as an example – but if they went, by the time they retire, Mike Tindall’s going to need to replace them and keep expecting me to replace them within my squad.

“Most clubs are being supported by wealthy individuals who love the sport, want to do their bit for the sport, but certainly aren’t that stupid to keep putting money in to creating a conveyor belt that’s going to fund R360 and get no compensation for it.”

R360’s organisers claim it will soon turn a profit, by drawing in fans who watch Test rugby but don’t follow the current club game, as well as attracting new audiences.

It views its recruitment of overseas stars as no different from the sort of policy pursued by Japan’s top-tier clubs.

All Blacks fly-half Richie Mo’unga and South Africa’s two-time world player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit are among those attracted to Japan Rugby League One by high wages and low workloads.

However, publicly at least, R360 is yet to make significant headway in building its roster.

Tom CurryGetty Images

Eight leading Test nations have issued a blanket ban on R360 recruits representing their national teams, wrecking hopes the rebel tournament had of allowing its players to combine the venture with international careers.

World Rugby is also yet to sanction R360 after asking for more information about the start-up’s plans.

Tom Curry, speaking in September, reaffirmed his own commitment to Sale.

“The investment from Simon and Michelle [Orange] and Ged Mason, we’re in a very fortunate position where we are in Manchester,” he said. “Nothing would get me away from that.”

England’s top flight has been optimistic that it can slowly move away from individual benefactors covering losses from their own pockets.

Mike TindallGetty Images

Orange says the impact of R360 would be most keenly felt in the women’s game however, with England’s Premiership Women’s Rugby (PWR), which hosts big-name talent from around the world, particularly vulnerable.

“I think it would absolutely kill the women’s game off,” Orange added.

“I completely understand why any international player would want to join R360. When you look at what these girls are earning as wages now, it’s still paltry compared to what the men get.

“And we’re not going to be in a position for several years to even start thinking about those wages going up dramatically – just because there’s not the money in the game.

“I don’t want to ever deprive an athlete from going to earn better money for themselves, they deserve it.

“But Mike Tindall is going to need a minimum of 120 to 140 players to join his league to make it successful for the four female franchises.

“If you take 140 girls out of the PWR , it would decimate us.

    • 16 October
    • 10 September
    • 10 November

It has been speculated that rugby league duo Zac Lomax and Ryan Papenhuyzen are destined for R360, after the pair walked away from unfulfilled NRL contracts with Parramatta Eels and Melbourne Storm respectively.

“I feel sorry for Zac, I feel sorry for Ryan Papenhuyzen, I think they’re being ill-advised and they’re jeopardising their whole careers on wild promises,” said Australian Rugby League Commission chair Peter V’landys earlier this week.

“What I would be strongly recommending to them is to get irrevocable bank guarantees that they will actually get paid.

“Anyone can make wild promises. Nobody has done any due diligence on any business model.”

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Stone Roses’ Mani was ‘itching’ to get back on stage just weeks before his death

Just weeks before his tragic death, Stone Roses legend Mani revealed he was excited to get back onto the stage and had been inspired by Oasis

Gary ‘Mani’ Mounfield was “itching to get back” into music, he revealed in one of his final interviews just last month. Speaking in mid-October, Mani had said he had recently been to his lock-up and looked at his bass guitars and was being encouraged by other musicians to pick it up again.

He also may have been inspired by Oasis, having seen them a number of times on tour this year before his sad death. Former Stone Roses and Primal Scream bass player Mani said just weeks ago: “I’m in a great space at the moment. Itching to get back bro. I’m ready to get back.”

He added: “Johnny Marr’s always trying to get me to do stuff. Liam (Gallagher) was always trying to get me involved with stuff before the Oasis thing. I’m feeling now that I could pick up again, you know?. I’ve been in the lock up having a look at stuff and weeding out my collection.”

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Mani was speaking on The Rockonteurs podcast in an interview which was published on October 19. He told hosts Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt he had seen Oasis four times on the current world tour, including one date at Wembley with fellow Stone Roses guitarist John Squire and was also in regular contact with Ian Brown via WhatsApp.

On the gigs he said: “They’re better now than ever, There’s not as much chaos and madness surrounding it and it becomes something with the benefit of a bit of age and y’know maturity.”

In the podcast he also spoke of how he became a bass player in the first place, which was not the first instrument he picked up. He said: “I came late to the bass guitar.

“I was a rhythm guitar player for years, and when the option arose to get on the bass, I jumped on it. And my musical tastes have always been from reggae and funk and soul, and even going back to like, Chris Hillman, I love from The Birds is one of my favourites.

Asked about his choice of bass guitar, he said: “Well, I just love Rickenbacker basses, because I’m a real fan of 60s stuff. And The Birds, the bands from that era, them and Hendrix and The Who and The Kinks. I love all that.”

Today, Gary’s nephew shared a heartbreaking announcement on social media confirming the sad news. He said: “Unfortunately with sad news my uncle Gary Mani Mounfield from the stone roses has sadly passed away today.

“Thinking of his twins and my uncle Greg at this sad time. He will be reunited in heaven with his lovely wife Imelda RIP Manni Your annoying nephew.”

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Gary’s brother, Greg, added: “It is with the heaviest of hearts that I have to announce the sad passing of my brother, Gary Manu Mounfield.” Famous faces have also paid tribute, with Liam Gallagher writing on X, formerly known as Twitter: “In total shock and absolutely devastated on hearing the news about Mani many hero. RIP RKID LG.”

Ian Brown, lead singer of The Stone Roses, penned: “Rest In Peace Mani x.”